TT: Did your boards have your decals ?)

Carl: Ah that was through my brother-in-law Bill Denny, Sunline Surfboards. he use to own part of Plastic Fantastic. Bill and a couple other guys started Sunline Surfboards (on Main Street, Huntington Beach) and at that time I had been just a shaper around town and Bill goes man they really want your boards, why don't you make your own logo. That was around 77', 78'

TT: Your logo, the same one that?

Carl: The same one, always had boomerangs. The first, the very first ones, that that logo actually, how that logo started was I was shaping Lightning Bolt surfboards and there was a guy name, can't remember his name, he own, he opened a shop on Beach Blvd. in Buena Park that was called Zags Surf Center. He was an engineer and kids wanted to surf. So, he wanted to opened Zags. His first kid's name was Zag and his last kid's name was Zag that's why Zags.

Carl: He says Carl, let make some boards!!! So I made my very first Carl Hayward surfboards for him. A really nice guy and I didn't even have a laminate (decal) my, my friend Michael Rice was my pinliner and glosser, he was the one who said here lets do a offset, and you know everyone was doing those tinted pinlines, you know inklines. My first logo was actually him pinlining, inklining my logo which was the boomerang, whatever you call it. He would sign my name in ink, in the middle of the logo. So my first 20 to 30 boards were done like that for Zag.

Carl: Then I had Sniffer, do you remember Sniffer?

TT: Yeah

Carl: He designed my first logo, he was a local guy, local artist who lived above the bar. He did my first logo and I had my first laminates done. So Bill Denny, I use to shaped boards for Sunline and I would do my own logo. So I was a contract shaper at the time. At that same time Dwight Dunn left Infinity Surfboards, he had been store manager for 3 or 4 years. He came up to the shop and Harpo taught Dwight how to hot coat and fin boards ah cause Dwight wanted to make boards. So he was at the Glass Shop and all at the same time, so it was like 6 months, Dwight working at the Glass Shop hot coating, boxing, and finning. At that time I was dating Bill Denny's sister, my wife, ah and we got married, and Bill, they bought Bill out at Sunline. So, all of a sudden I didn't have a relationship with Sunline Surfboards anymore.

TT: That was located by...?

Carl: There was Jack's, International Bizarre, Dyno, then the alley and then Sunlines which use to be a gay bar years ago and it burned out. Bill and his buddies went in there and fixed it up, Oh it was actually Pacific Surfboards cause I use to hang out there. TT: Was Plastic Fantastic there too or ?

Carl: Plastic was around the corner, the original Plastic Fantastic was on the north the next street over from Main St. which was 5th. The original was on the corner building which is a still an open lot next to El Don's liquor. That was the original one I remember.

Oh my brother-in-law says I can't compete with Sunline, but you should go rent the Dyno store next door, they have been closed 6 months. They never reopened and ah here's the guy name. So go call him, so Dwight and I go talk to this Dick Lippincott guy. After which nothing happened. Bill goes I have the name of the owners of the building, why don't you call them. So I called the lady who lived in Irvine and she rented us the shop. I sold my wife's volkswagon bug, and I put in 3 grand and Dwight put in 3 thousand bucks and we opened the store in 79'. Huntington Beach shop early 1980's